The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. Follow along to see exactly how. Maybe it's a regular BDL? necked up to .35 caliber. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. The .300 Rem. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. As an experiment, I shot the nilgai five or six more times with different bullets, then hauled the carcass back to the cleaning station intact and carried out a necropsy. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. This raises the obvious question: Why, with so many modern cartridges around of more or less equal power, chambered in readily available rifles, is there this lingering interest in, and loyalty to, the .358 Norma? I have needed to reach 400 yards, but never a whole bunch farther. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. Moving down a notch and comparing the .35 Whelen (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps) to the .30-06 (220 grains at 2410 fps), which have nearly identical case capacity, we find that the optimum game range (OGW) on 1000 pound animals is 10 yards for the .30-06 and 100 yards for the .35 Whelen. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. There are several reasons. Where does the .358 Norma sit, in comparison to the more popular cartridges in its class? We argue cartridges and calibers endlessly, but bullet choice matters. People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. For anyone with an experimental or fanciful turn of mind, the .358 Norma and the many .358-inch diameter bullets are a gold mine. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. when fired in a 7.5 pound rifle. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. Mag. But in those countries where the lighter cartridges are legal for the cats, the .350 Rigby Magnum is just about perfect. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. I've owned several Magnum Mediums338 RUM, 340WBY, 375 H&H, 375 WBY, 358NM, 338WM. As it was released in the first century of the . If we compare the .300 Win. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. If the .350 Rigby Magnum was effective in the golden era of safari, modern premium bullet designs will make it even better. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. PerH AH fanatic Joined May 8, 2021 Messages 536 Reaction score 813 Location Norway Articles 2 Jun 4, 2021 #5 with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. Food for thought, is it not? Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. Have a .350 Rem Mag, building a .358 Win currently, would prefer to do the .358 Norma if possible but not sure if this action can handle it.Anyone? Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. You bet they worked! For the handloader, as the accompanying table demonstrates, the .358 Norma Magnum provides an almost unbelievable range of possibilities, from loads light enough for gallery shooting to heavy enough. Just have it rebarreled to 9.3X62, and you will have a 358 Norma with five in the magazine! While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. It was predictable that the .356 Win. It is capable of driving a. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. With such a wide range of both cast and jacketed bullets available, and todays variety in powders, the .358 Norma has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to load possibilities. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. It will work in this action with ease and will be plenty cheap to feed and use if one simply sizes up 338 brass and goes along thier happy way. The .35 Rem. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. The Hornady Superformance load for the .35 Whelen launches a 200-grain bullet at a blistering. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. | As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. While most of the .35 caliber rifle cartridges are powerful medium bore numbers designed for use on large (CXP3) game like elk and moose, the most popular .35 caliber rifle cartridge is the .35 Remington. Sometimes you get a point-blank shot; other times you need to stretch it a bit farther. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. Here the elk offers hunters an advantage because the vital zone, like body size, is at least twice that of any deer. It is, as you say, a thumper. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. Why the .35 Rem. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. Today we have better bullets than when I was a kid. of energy at the muzzle. Looks like I'll do a Whelen. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. and is a good cartridge for hunting the thick woods for deer, hogs, black bear or even elk. But there is no compelling reason to consider a caliber larger than .35. Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. Short of a wounded elephant or Cape buffalo in thick cover, there is no game I can think of for which you could not concoct a load in the .358. The ammunition hung on a while longer, but eventually Big Green abandoned her babies and stopped making both cartridges. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. However, the optimum game range of the .358 (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2300 fps) is 240 yards. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. Clearly, for the hunter seeking heavy game and willing to accept this level of recoil, the .358 Norma Magnum deserves far more popularity than it has received. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. With the 250-grain bullet, it's better than the .30-06 on heavy game at close ranges. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. The rifle, cartridge, and bullet must be capable of handling that one opportunity. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. Campfire 'Bwana. Mag. There is only .007-inch (seven thousandths) difference between the .270s .277-inch bullet and the 7mms .284-inch bullet. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. The full spectrum of our many 7mms, from 7mm-08 and 7x57 on up to the fastest 7mm magnums, are also fine, but they are not magical giant-slayers. I was used to the 30-06 parent cases (.270, 25-06, etc) so that is what I decided on. Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. Mag. The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. If you handload your ammunition, it will make feeding a .358 Norma that much easier, just realize you wont find ammunition at a general store, or even at most gun shops, for that matter. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. Hornadys LEVERevolution pushes the performance up a notch with a 200-grain pointed bullet at 2225 f.p.s. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. Perhaps, if the word gets out to the shooting public, the born again .350 may finally achieve the commercial success it deserves. It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. Somehow, years ago, I got the notion that it is not prudent to be opening the bolt face of a 700 from standard (270W) to magnum (358N). So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. 10 GA. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. Ive obviously left the door wide open. Any of these will handle just about any big game one might hunt with a .358 Norma, where you want to employ its ample knockdown power. That year, Remington also brought out the Model 673 Guide Gun in .350 Rem Mag. Cartridges that in many cases cannot match the killing power, at normal hunting ranges, of comparable .35's. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. 1 Item (s) Show per page. As it was released in the first century of the 20th century, when the common boundaries of cartridge usage were being defined, the .350 Rigby Magnum was considered an all-around cartridge, especially in the more open terrain of British and German East Africa, known today as Kenya and Tanzania. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? Most ammunition makers have a 200-grain load, and Remington also has a 150-grain load with a muzzle velocity of 2300 f.p.s. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. For a while Savage chambered it in the Model 99, and I am still looking for one I can afford. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Bottles & 12-oz. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. Im voting no. In more recent times, the 1994 release of the .450 Rigby gave dangerous game hunters a bit more bullet weight than the .416 Rigby and has developed a small but devout following among both professional hunters and their clients alike. The cartridge predates the more famous .416 by three years, and the .350 Rigby was the first to feature the sharp 45-degree shoulder which is the hallmark of the Rigby designs. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. Opening up a boltface on a standard action is NOT a difficult job for a decent gunsmith and does not affect the strength or viability of the action one WHIT. If the .35 Rem. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. In any mass-production rifle, either the .375 or .338, or both, will be found as a standard chambering. The Newton was supposedly loaded, by Western Cartridge, to 2,975 fps with a 250-grain bullet, but I, for one, would want to see the chronograph reading.
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